PART 1
Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati Programmer / Trainer
About the author:
Hi, my name is Svali.
Both I and my entire family were involved in a cult group until several years
ago, when we broke free. I used to be a programmer in the cult, and now I want
to share the knowledge that I have to help others. It is possible to break free
of cult abuse if a person is involved. It is a long, heart-breaking process,
but well worth it. In the articles that I will be providing, I hope to help the
survivor of cult abuse find tools to help in their journey towards freedom.
I have been a consultant
to an on-line survivors group that helps people dealing with issues related to
cult programming and becoming free, for the past year and a half. I myself have
been in therapy for ritual abuse and DID for nine years, with the last five
being aware of the recent cult abuse.
I am also a writer, and
a registered nurse. I currently work as a diabetic educator in Texas 20 hours a
week.
I have also self-published
a book on breaking free of cult programming, which several experts in the field
have said has "invaluable information" for the survivor of ritual
abuse.
Both my ex-husband and
my two children broke free of cult abuse last year. My children are living with
me while my husband is working on healing. They all have DID (dis-associative
identity disorder, formerly known as multiple personality disorder) as well,
which makes life at home interesting! I am currently married to my second
husband, who is also a recovered DID and who got out of the cult five years
ago.
Questions / Answers from Readers [1]
Q: ''I read that 'Jenny Craig' and a lot of weight loss centers are in fact 'fronts' for access to women they can program ... Ask Svali if this is true (if she knows) and what other businesses or 'non-profit' organizations are involved, if any ...?''
A: My answer has two parts. First, normally, the
Illuminati do NOT do much recruiting outside their group (other occult groups
do, perhaps). They just don't trust outsiders that much. On the rare occasions
that they do, it is always a young child who is brought in. A lot of the
programming cannot be done after a certain age (8) or it will induce severe
trauma or even psychosis in a person who is unable to dissociate adequately.
You can create some functional states, but not anything near the complex
groupings and abilities that trainers like to see.
Now, part two. Many
woman who are severely overweight have been sexually abused, and may be already
dissociative. They may have other trauma as well. So, if a person were
interested in looking for dissociators, it would make sense that they would go
to places like this. I wasn't involved in any type of recruiting activities,
never saw it done.
Some children are brought
in from the outside through:
Child pornography rings; these children already dissociate, so they are "stepped up" into the cult; some parents "sell" their children to be used and trained by the cult; some child psychologists are taught to look for very young children. But in my reality, everyone I knew was generational, on both sides of the family. Wish I could help you, but this is how the Illuminati operated in San Diego and Washington, DC. It's possible that some branches in other states do more recruitment than I was exposed to. I have heard survivor stories of children recruiting other children, for example, although it wasn't done in the groups I belonged to.
Child pornography rings; these children already dissociate, so they are "stepped up" into the cult; some parents "sell" their children to be used and trained by the cult; some child psychologists are taught to look for very young children. But in my reality, everyone I knew was generational, on both sides of the family. Wish I could help you, but this is how the Illuminati operated in San Diego and Washington, DC. It's possible that some branches in other states do more recruitment than I was exposed to. I have heard survivor stories of children recruiting other children, for example, although it wasn't done in the groups I belonged to.
A: Addendum: I just want to add that the
Illuminati are only one of several occult groups that operate in the North
American continent. There are many others, and they may do more recruitment and
things that I haven't mentioned. The Illuminists tend to have a more
scientific, and military, approach to their programming, whereas other groups operate
differently. Some groups, such as the Templar Knights, do NOT believe in
demonic worship, although they are Luciferian and practice mysteries. Each
group has its own agenda. I can only speak for the Illuminati in the areas of
the U.S. and Europe that I lived in.
Q: Having worked
professionally in numerous cities and campuses, I have never heard of ritual
abuse by leadership in our communities. Svali's experiences appear to be
genuine, however I cannot accept the notion that this Illuminati has a dominant
role in ritually abusing children, adults and an ability to brutalize others
and get away with it without raising suspicions among the cognoscenti.
Q: Is she actually
inferring that there exists a LEADERSHIP in professional areas and we as a
public have not understood the extent of this? Perhaps her experiences should
be shared with those in the ritually abused community. Do we really have a
threat we need to worry about?
A: In answering this, I need to raise a couple of
points.
The Illuminati and their
followers are a minority of our world's population. In San Diego county, where
the population is over 2 million, there existed 5 years ago 24 sister groups
with membership of roughly 60 to 75 each. Leadership council over the county
was 13 members. So, in a metro center with over 2 million, the active
Illuminists comprised less than 1500 members. The Illuminati are possibly 1% to
2% of the population in the US. What this means is that 99% of the people you
know and work with are NOT Illuminati. They are good, hard working people (at
least most are) who want a paycheck, and a good family life. MOST of the
leaders in our communities and financial systems have never heard of the
Illuminati, because they are a minority.
So, why worry about
them? Because a small group of evil people can do great damage. I will use an
analogy.
MOST people in our
society are not involved in child pornography, consider it a crime against
children, and would fight against it given the chance. Yet, the small minority
of those involved in it do incalculable damage to the children involved. The
effects of the crime are greater than the bare numbers involved.
Why isn't child
pornography stopped? We have the evidence, law enforcement knows it exists, yet
it is a multi-billion dollar industry. HOW do these people "hide"
from justice and capture? Why don't the police stop them? Because they aren't
stupid. They work under secrecy. They change locations frequently, and kill
those who talk to law enforcement. Bribes and other means are used to cover
their tracks, and they hire excellent lawyers.
Okay, now lets look at
the Illuminists. The 1% of our nation involved are extremely intelligent. They
have sworn an oath on pain of death from toddler-hood on to never reveal their
true allegiance to outsiders.
Do you know how many
business leaders in your community are Masons? Yet this is not an oath on pain
of death. How much less would an Illuminist share their leanings, or be
detected. I have written an article on Suite 101 on ''Why the cult doesn't get caught'' with more information on this topic.
I HAVE shared this
information with the survivor community. I have gone to the police, to
therapists that work with survivors. I publish on Suite 101 precisely to help
educate the public and survivors about this abuse. The main danger of the
Illuminati is the 1 to 2 % involved in this group are intelligent, and many are
well funded.
PART 2
Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati Programmer/Trainer
Q & A [2]: Svali Answers Readers' Questions
Q: Can the Illuminati's family trees be traced back to specific towns in Europe?
A: Yes, and this depends on the branch. There is
the German branch, the French branch, the UK branch, and the Russian branch.
Each has roots in different areas of Europe. The towns of central Germany and
Austria were the beginning for the German branch. They trace their roots from
the Knights Templar who united the European nations during the crusades.
Q: Do they consider the
Christian God real, but a liar?
A: The Illuminati believe in the deification of
men through knowledge. They know that there are supernatural beings who help
them in this process, but they don't necessarily divide things into "good
and bad", rather "enlightened" or "unenlightened".
They believe that the Christian God is real, but that adherents of Christianity
are one step short of enlightenment, that they do not know the "full
picture" as they do. They see Christians as sheep who follow a nice story
created to help them feel better, because they are "too weak" to want
to know the "full truth". (This is what an illuminist would say in
describing the difference). They tend to be cynical towards the Christian God,
to see him as a placebo for the weak.
Q: Do they consider
their own god a liar, even if for "good"? If so, how do they trust
their god?
A: They do not consider their gods (they have
several) as liars. These "gods" have given them power, wealth,
status, and everything that they have asked for. Yes, at a price, a horrible
price, but they believe that nothing comes cheaply, and the higher the price
they have paid, the more they value the gift. It is hard to explain this type
to thinking to someone outside the group, because mainstream society wants to
see them as evil Satanists, and opposed to Christianity. They themselves
wouldn't put it quite that way. Oh, they will mock and downgrade Christianity,
but only because they want its followers to see that they are the 'deceived
ones". The god of this world has truly blinded their eyes. Do they
"trust" their gods? As much as they trust anything. Remember, trust
is not a concept in this group, where "betrayal is the greatest good"
is a maxim taught since childhood. If you asked them, do you "trust"
your deity, they would look puzzled, and say, "only a foolish person
trusts what they cannot know" or some other maxim.
Q: Do they consider the
Christian God to be a God of naive love?
A: Yes, yes, very naive, and setting His followers
up for a fall. This is the extent of their arrogance.
Q: If they use torture
and terror on those they love who are of lower rank, how do they distinguish
between love and hate?
A: They don't. They tell their children as they
are torturing them, "I am doing this because I love you." To them,
the greatest love is to make a child strong, and fit to lead or to move higher
in the group, by whatever means it takes.
If a leader sees a
child, and wants it as a prostitute, the loving parents will give it away,
happy that their child will rise in status. Also, again, they view betrayal as
the greatest good. They will do set up after set up to teach their children to
never openly trust others.
I remember hundreds of
agonizing set ups and betrayals, and hearing when I was betrayed or wounded,
"And such is the heart of man." Those doing this to me thought they
were teaching me something of value, that would help me. And because of the
vicious and political nature of the group, in one sense they were right; the
naive get stepped on and wounded. I have known parents who tried to spare their
children some of this out of love, but often they were overruled by other
family members, who viewed these parents as "weak" and
"unfit" to teach their child.
Q: Can you list their
religious beliefs in some detail? e.g. re-incarnation? Heaven and hell? Sin?
Absolution? Elves?
A: Which part? Spiritual has many branches,
including: Celtic druidism, Rosicrucianism, Babylonian mystery religion,
Egyptian mysteries, and traveling the planes. A child will have to learn each
of these disciplines, and others, as part of their training. They also have
theta, or psychic training, as well.
The Illuminati have
taken the best (or worst) of each of these religions, and incorporated them.
Also, there is NOT just ONE religion that every group follows. In Washington
DC, my main trainers were Celtic druids and adherents of Babylonian mystery
religion. In San Diego, the Egyptian mystery religion is emphasized, in part
because Col. Aquino's oversees that group, and is heavily into Temple of Set.
Here is a brief
overview, doing my best to incorporate these beliefs. They believe that
reincarnation is possible, because of the time travel that they do, but they
don't emphasize it in their teachings. They believe in a final sphere of white
light, which to them is total enlightenment, and their concept of heaven. They
believe that they are immune from hell, which is for the unenlightened. Their
concept of hell is different than the Bible's; they believe that it means being
lower and never reaching higher in the afterlife (they believe there are levels
there, too, determined by how one progresses here on earth).
To them, sin is being
weak or stupid, and not using the intelligence or abilities you were given, or
failing to progress. I never heard any discussion of absolution. If you fail,
you are punished or killed. That simple. There is some belief in elves,
sprites, and other small beings in the druidic branch, who also see life in
each of nature's creations.
Q: Some researchers
claim that various items that people are commonly exposed to in society are
part of the means to weaken their enemies. Therefore, I wonder if the
Illuminati allow their own leading members to be exposed to these, i.e. the
following:
a. chlorine and fluoride in water and foods;
b. vaccines;
c. medical drugs;
d. junk food;
e. micro-waved food;
f. dietary supplements;
g. biochips;
h. mercury fillings;
i. HAARP;
j. Chemtrail's?
A: In general, true leadership is protected from
much of the above. They are ORDERED to not: drink, do drugs, or anything
harmful to themselves. They don't go as far as junk food or micro-waved food,
since they don't worry about that, but at meetings, healthy food such as
granola or trail mix are given out during exercises, and they know the
importance of good nutrition.
They will NOT put their
top leaders through the extensive use of mind control experimentation, or
implants, etc. because of the risk involved. These children and adults ARE
dissociative, but they go through a special program that is different than for
the lower levels. They do get vaccines, since even if the child became ill, a
healer could fix them. And they do take medications if needed, such as
antibiotics, etc.
Do they claim to use
vaccines or medical drugs for genocide? I had not heard that when I was in the
group. Everyone I knew was vaccinated and took medications, although vitamins
and good diet were also important.
Q: Some claim that
Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Charismatic's, Pagans, the New Age Movement,
Satanists, etc. were founded by the same plotters. Are these groups, or at
least their leaders, considered allies of the Illuminati by their members?
A: Some of these groups have affiliated themselves
secretly with the Illuminati (because of the money and free training offered),
others are sympathetic, or at the least, respectful of them. The Mormons
affiliated years ago in a meeting with Illuminati leadership in the 1950s. The
same with the Jehovah's Witnesses. I have not heard that Charismatic's or
Pagans were affiliated, the pagans are considered "dabblers" by the
Illuminati. The New Age and Satanists are sympathetic to them.
Q: Do they respect real
science or history in favor of "faith" in their own beliefs?
A: No. They will respect science, but they will
try to rewrite history in set ups and dramas for children (where they purport
to show them "real history" behind the scenes). Also, they will do
time travel through portals, but I cannot say how accurate what occurs is,
since I believe it is facilitated demonically.
The Illuminati teach
their children that powerful occultists who were enlightened have been secretly
behind the thrones of Europe, and down the ages behind the kingdoms of this
world, since time began. True or propaganda? I don't know. They teach their
children that underneath Stonehenge there is a great room filled with the
skeletons of sacrifices. Fact or fiction? I don't know, and cannot fund the
archeological expedition it would take to verify this or not.
How accurate their
teachings are, I do question, since they also leave out the role of faith in
God, and His ability to hold back evil. I believe that ultimately, God has been
in control of human history, not evil.
PART 3
Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati Programmer/Trainer
Q & A [3]: Svali Answers More Questions
Q: I'm very concerned about the New World Order scheme and my questions are meant to help me find possible ways to proceed in helping to defeat the scheme.
A: I know I sound cynical, but good luck! I really
do wish you the best in this. I believe that it would take a LOT of people
joining together, with immense wealth and excellent lawyers, to stop them.
I personally do not have
any experience with any groups dedicated to stopping them, since I live in a
small rural community and have no contacts of this nature. I do wish any groups
dedicated to stopping this horrific abuse of small children the very best, and
will pray that they succeed. But this is also a spiritual battle, and anyone
who takes on this type of occult evil would also need to be aware of spiritual
warfare. The Illuminists certainly use it against others, and anyone stepping
into this arena without prayer would be very vulnerable, in my opinion.
Q: Have you considered
starting a 12 step group like AA for ritual abusers and cult victims? I know
from personal experience that the spiritual 12 step program works.
A: I believe that there are already groups such as
this out there. I know that there are AA groups for incest survivors, and many
also have branched off into RA [Ritual Abuse] support as well. Since I live in
a rural area (population 100 unless you count the squirrels and cows), I would
not be close enough to lead any groups such as this. They are usually found
near large metropolitan areas. In fact, I drive two hours once a month to therapy,
since that is the closest to where I live.
Q: Were you allowed to
read and listen to what you wanted while you were in the Illuminati, or was
everything censored? If it wasn't censored, it seems like members could notice
that Illuminati teachings about betrayal being a human attribute are false.
Right?
A: Wrong. I was never censored what I read, but
you have to understand their mind set. As a small child, my parents told me
that everyone was secretly a member of this group, and that the daytime was a "façade"
or "pretense' that all maintain.
They would take me to
friends' houses for dinner, and afterwards a ritual would occur, so I believed
them. I grew up since infancy believing that this was just how the world
operated for all: people act one way in the daytime, another at night. I knew
that there was mention of love, caring, and trust in books, but believed it was
a "daytime" quality, and that the people who wrote of these things
were writing from their daytime personas.
There was a complete and
utter division between day and night from my first days of life. To question
something, you have to be able to step outside it, and I never had the
maturity, or any reason to question the teachings, until I was much older.
Think about it. All around were movies reinforcing what the cult taught, the
Disney films, etc; I listened to heavy metal groups, whose values echoed what I
was taught at night. In fact, outside of Christian literature, there is not
much out there that would engender trust in other human beings.
Q: I was shocked to hear
you say you were forced to shoot a friend of yours. Are many members forced to
shoot or kill someone, or is this just for punishment training? Is it just
outsiders who are killed? Are you able to discuss the shooting, or is this too
hard to discuss?
A: The friend was not an outsider, she was part of
the group, and considered expendable. In this group, people are one of two
things: "useful" or "expendable". Everyone works quite
hard to be useful. It is not a common punishment, in fact rare, but my mother
was an unusually driven and ambitious person.
She was a head trainer,
and sat on the regional council over the Washington DC area in the
spiritual seat (the other seats on the council were military, held by her boss
at the Pentagon, where she worked, his cult name was "Ashtoth", a
government seat, leadership, scholarship, and sciences seats).
Usually, they bring in
outsiders for rituals or killing, but this was an unusually harsh punishment to
teach me an unforgettable lesson (it did: I never made a friend after that. I
didn't like those higher than me, and had no wish to make friends with those
she considered "worthy" of a "leader" and other nonsense).
Very rarely, in military
exercises, those who were weak or kept a unit behind consistently were shot to
teach the others a lesson (I saw it happen once). This never happened to the
children of leaders, only those from lower levels.
Q: You say you begged
God for a better home every night, but became embittered against God for not
providing it. Were you praying to a benevolent God or to the Illuminati god? If
the former, then where did you get your idea of a benevolent God?
A: This is a great question. I was NOT praying to
the Illuminati deities, because to me, they were cruel and sadistic and
frightening. I was praying to my child's concept of a good God, from my
reading, watching of TV, and also the innate knowledge that all children have
in their hearts that somewhere, up there, is a good God.
I also had a few
experiences with angels, and being protected as a child during horrendous
trauma, and this also formed my concept that good existed. They never actually
tried to stop me from praying, since positive spirituality gives hope, and can
help prevent suicide.
In fact, I was forbidden
to read about or seek any knowledge about the occult in my day life, because
otherwise too much would be given to the occult and the risk of suicide would
have increased. They are believers in "balance', even in this area.
Q: You said "Papa
Brogan" [see previous article] was the only kind adult in your life growing
up. Do you mean he showed you affection? In what way?
A: Dr. Timothy Brogan was a professor at George Washington
University. He was a specialist in neuropsychology, and one of the top
Illuminati trainers in the DC area. He was also close friends with Sidney
Gottlieb (another of my mother's "friends").
Anyway, he could be very
kind as well as cruel. He would hold me on his lap, call me his "little
one", and praised me highly when I did well. He taught me chess, and would
read works of literature to me. He told me I was his "adopted
daughter" and that he was proud of me. We would hold intellectual
discussions until late at night, and he imparted his views of leadership and
training to me. Not all Illuminati activity is cruel or inhumane; he could be
caring and loving as well. I would play with his children, who were older than
me, and he would patiently answer my questions about science, geography, and
other topics. I bonded completely to him, which made the torture and sexual
abuse especially painful and betraying.
Q: You say you had a
core split, over 7,000 fragments and 16 internal systems. You mean you developed
split personalities who weren't aware of each other? If so, did any of these
personalities seem to have a fairly nice life?
A: Yep, split personalities. Most of the people I
knew in the Illuminati were fairly fragmented (in fact, I cannot think of anyone
who was not dissociative to some degree). Even the local and regional leaders
all come in for regular "programming tune ups" as Jonathan and I used
to call them. The largest split was between the front and back; ie. daily life
and night life. Most, but not all, of the night alters could communicate, or at
least the controllers and the higher parts inside could (and relay information
to those beneath them). And yes, many of my personalities had a wonderful life.
I had 140 created to deal with daytime life, such as work, friends, and fun
(who have coalesced).
Many of my back people
had good experiences, such as the ones I described above with Dr. Brogan.
Others were pampered and praised, told that I would be a leader in the coming
"New Order'' (of course, they tell everyone that....). I was to be a
mediator between governmental figures in different nations because of my
language abilities and people mediation skills. Many of my internal parts were
quite proud of their abilities and accomplishments in the group, and grieved
heavily when I left.
Q: Are the non-German
Illuminists not Nazis, racist white supremacists, or genocidal maniacs?
And, if the leadership in all countries is Illuminati, that must mean they're
of all races, which seems to mean the white supremacists oppose the non-white
Illuminati. Is this right?
A: Not all Illuminist groups are as fanatically
anti-racial as the German branch is, although many are. These people are racist
in the extreme, but they are also very practical, and realize that world
domination is not possible without the aid of non-white races. That is why
loyal figures in these countries are being promised leadership positions for
their area, under the supervision of Illuminist commanders.
They also view Orientals
differently than other nonwhite races, because of the long history of occult
mysticism in many countries (such as Tibet, for example), the long history of
culture, and the high intelligence. This is why the oriental branches are
highly regarded, even in Europe. But they do believe that Europe will be the
center of world government and leadership.
Even in non-white
countries, the top leadership is still white, or nearly so. For example, in
South America, the top leaders are European in descent, with less of the mestizo
mixing. In Africa, many of the leaders behind the scenes are whites, although
there are local black leaders who have demonstrated extreme loyalty. They are
using them, though, since these members will never be able to hold top
leadership in the world. (Those positions are already taken).
All this said, I believe
that the racist and hateful policies of the Illuminati are despicable in the
extreme. One of my biggest quarrels with leadership was this position, among
others. I hope this has answered some of your questions.
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